At no point did I say that the community has a duty to report or that the community is to blame. Facebook responds to the community when the report. This gives the community the power to let us know when something is wrong. Why would anyone *not* want the ability to report?

Would it be preferable to have a platform where every single post, picture, comment is subject to pre-clearance, by Facebook? I find it odd that anyone interested in free expression would want such a model.

From: kictanet <> on behalf of \”Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet\” <>
Reply-To: \”Patrick A. M. Maina\” <>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <>
Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 2:44 PM
To: Ebele Okobi <>
Cc: \”Patrick A. M. Maina\” <>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [should the victims be blamed? aren\’t platforms responsible as enablers and amplifiers?] Child marriage on facebook

Some responses on this topic raise some interesting and important issues:

1. Do social media/messaging platform play a role in crime as amplifiers, enablers?

2. Would crimes be harder to pull off if such platform could, through enhanced technical functionality (which might not necessarily be profitable), not be easily used for organized criminal purpose?

3. Does the community owe the platform a duty to report (as alluded here, such that the community can be blamed for platform misuse)? How much blame does the community share?

4. If indeed the community has a duty to help FB police its platform, will FB also share its revenues with the community seeing as they are its informal \”employees\” as well? Or are they only buddies in bad times but strangers in good times?

5. Do (or should) victims of social media enabled harm (including, say, businesses that lose sales due to chaos or governments whose economies are effectively sabotaged) have recourse against the platform owner? To what extent? Who else should own the problem and why?

I think the \”deflect blame to the victims\” script is unwise and could backfire. It would probably cause an uproar if used in more assertive parts of the world (i.e. in developed countries/regions).

Good day listers,

On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 3:52:31 PM GMT+3, Wainaina Mungai via kictanet <> wrote:


Facebook as increased their staff significantly to help police what is posted. We may want not to blame the medium used and focus more on addressing the culture of marrying off children of any gender in any country. That way, we remain focussed on \’children\’s rights\’.

The main offenders in this case are the \”sellers\” and \”buyers\” who took part in the auction.

In the end, the extent of regulation will depend on mutistakeholder negotiations on the balance between an open Internet for all and the need to protect privacy, security and human rights online.


On 20 Nov 2018 15:18, evelyne wanjiku via kictanet <> wrote:
Hi listers,

Im following a debate on cnn about this south sudanese \’baby bride\’ who was auctioned on fb.

It brings me back to this question, who should regulate facebook? Some argue fb is too big to regulate all the things that happen on their platform.

Who should police fb? Is it us? We have power to shut down our pages if we dont agree with what goes on in their…but we don\’t. Why?

Is it facebook? Do they care about being responsible especially in Africa?

Is it government? And just how far can the government reach?

Or should we just relax and face the beginning of the end by having an attitude of anything goes as long we have internet.

Nice day everyone.

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