Dear Walu,
It’s one of those theories of why governments are needed.

according to him, life was *“solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short”. It
is a war “of every man against every man”.*
because of that humans agreed to form governments and ceded some of
their rights e.g. agreeing to be taxed

Anyway, in data protection speak, doesn’t the government have a legitimate
need to collect the hustler fund data? in addition, the citizen does opt in
and provide consent for their data to be collected.

I doubt the mpesa pin leaves the Safaricom network as it is being used to
verify your identity (Your telephone lines are registered and linked to
your identification documents)

Regards,

Alex

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 4:35 PM Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:

> @ Alex,
>
> I am still stuck on this statement:
>
> >>>i am still not convinced a citizen can demand privacy from the
> government since the basics of government >>>is that citizens ceded private
> rights in return for the public good (Hobbes theory of government)
>
> I don’t know who ‘Hobbes’ is or was but please avoid him or her 😉
>
> Your right to privacy is baked into your 2010 Constitution and even the
> government should not take it away. Emphasis is of course on ‘should not’ –
> the fact that most governments regularly do and violate citizen privacy
> should never, ever be normalized.
>
> walu
> —
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 11:31:57 AM GMT+3, Alex Watila via
> KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>
> in terms of data privacy the government has legitimate right to access
> your information since you require them to provide you with services
>
> i am still not convinced a citizen can demand privacy from the government
> since the basics of government is that citizens ceded private rights in
> return for public good (Hobbes theory of government)
>
> in terms of mpesa pin i doubt it leaves mpesa. GoK is just using an
> existing platform (shared services concept we have been pushing) to deliver
> a public good
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022, 10:20 tevin mwenda via KICTANet <
> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Dear listers,
>
> The Kenyan Government launched the much hyped hustler fund a digital
> lending platform. Credit will be accessible through various lending
> platforms such as M-PESA. Out of curiosity I can not help but wonder what
> are the data protection implications of the system. For example what data
> will be used as baseline to determine your credit worthiness. Is it data
> held by government, credit reference bureaus, the lending companies or we
> are starting from scratch ? Who will be the main data controller of the
> data collected is it government is it the companies. If it’s the government
> how much data will they have on Kenya and their credit worthiness and what
> are the implications of that. Who will store this data? Are their any data
> sharing agreements in place between the entities involved. What data
> subject rights have been provided and does the consumer understand them? It
> will be intresting to see how this develops and the discussion from a data
> protection perspective.
>
>
> nation.africa/kenya/news/game-changer-president-unveils-hustler-fund-today-4037806
>
> —
> Kind Regards
>
> Tevin Mwenda Gitonga
>